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How to solve this?
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Soo Vei Li
Since an equal quantity (15 years) is to be added to both Jeremy and his aunt, we can add the 15 to the front of the bars to make the comparison easier.
6 years ago
Hu Sophia
Thanks.. but can tell me how u derive 3u =15?
6 years ago
Hu Sophia
And why one bar split into 5 equal parts?
6 years ago
Soo Vei Li
Because the information given for their age after 15 years is 8 : 13, so the 'extra' bar is 13 - 8 = 5 units. That means each blue bar is 5 units, leaving the green to be 3 units.
6 years ago
Hu Sophia
Oh ya
6 years ago
Hu Sophia
Thanks!
6 years ago
Soo Vei Li
A similar question was posted on Tuesday: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153061406553093&set=gm.509550745868253&type=1&theater
6 years ago
Hu Sophia
Thanks, will let my son try this out too.
6 years ago
Caleb Tey
6 years ago
Kelvin Koh
25-8 = 17
6 years ago
Soo Vei Li
Oops... Thanks, Kelvin Koh, it should be 17 years. :)
6 years ago
Wong Pui Leng
It is difference unchanged.
6 years ago
Wahidah Khan
yes how u get 3u is 15
6 years ago
Wahidah Khan
ill let my daughter try. thks
6 years ago
Izam Marwasi
6 years ago
Hu Sophia
Izam, your solution is easy n clear to me. Thanks!
6 years ago
Adrian Ng
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Making it visual...
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Lesley Lim
thank you so much
6 years ago
Foong Ling
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Find the sum of 3 + 5 + 7....+99 +100.Can we use this formula (N+1) / N/2 to solve ? Many thanks.
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Maggie Lukes
Something is wrong with the numbers. At the beginning the numbers differ by 2, but at the end they differ by 1. As it stands it doesn't make sense.
6 years ago
Ariel Lim Ah Ping
Yah hor. So it's all the odd numbers from 3 to 99 inclusive plus 100?
6 years ago
Ariel Lim Ah Ping
Also your formula a bit salah.
It's (L+a)*n/2,
Where a = 1st term. It's not 1 cos doesn't start from 1
L = last term
n = number of terms
In this question, n and L are not equal
6 years ago
Foong Ling
the qn starts from 3..
6 years ago
Foong Ling
i got the formula from one of the posts to find the total of 1 to 99.
6 years ago
Foong Ling
then someone use this formula (N+1)/ N/2
6 years ago
Ariel Lim Ah Ping
It's not divide. It's (n+1)*n/2
6 years ago
Foong Ling
oh ya, i saw wrongly. thanks Ariel Lim Ah Ping
6 years ago
Ariel Lim Ah Ping
For 1 to 99, a= 1, L = n = 99
So it becomes (n+1)*n/2
6 years ago
Tan SUnny
Pri kids do not learn formula
6 years ago
Maggie Lukes
You cannot assume it is the odd numbers plus 100. Unless the child understands the formula, I would definitely not allow its use. Also that formula is for the numbers 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + ..., for numbers increasing by 1. So it will not work in this case.
6 years ago
Foong Ling
this qn i know. how about the above one cos i saw this qn so i tried to use this formula.
6 years ago
Foong Ling
so use the rainbow method?
6 years ago
Maggie Lukes
Yes, use the rainbow method, if you can figure out the correct last number.
6 years ago
Foong Ling
so the rainbow method be solved for my qn posted? pls enlighthen.
6 years ago
Ariel Lim Ah Ping
Rainbow method???
6 years ago
Ariel Lim Ah Ping
O. U mean 3+99, 5+97, n so on?
6 years ago
Ariel Lim Ah Ping
(a +L)*n/2 is that rainbow method loh.
6 years ago
Tan SUnny
If sum of odd number 1 to 99, the sum is square numbers. Try use pattern
6 years ago
Maggie Lukes
Yes, Ariel, that is the rainbow method.
6 years ago
Tan SUnny
6 years ago
Ariel Lim Ah Ping
Some visuals for sunny's suggestion.
http://www.9math.com/book/sum-first-n-odd-natural-numbers
6 years ago
Tan SUnny
Consecutive number 1 to 99, use rainbow method
6 years ago
Ariel Lim Ah Ping
Thats why must understand the formulas n don't use blindly.
6 years ago
Ariel Lim Ah Ping
Aiyoh. Any arithmetic progression (,I.e. got common difference, be it 2 or 1) can use rainbow.
6 years ago
Tan SUnny
For consecutive number 1 to 99
6 years ago
Tan SUnny
For consecutive even numbers, reduce to consecutive numbers, use rainbow method and workback by time 2
6 years ago
Tan SUnny
Exposure the child to all these variation using rainbow method
6 years ago
Foong Ling
Mr tan, so if the numbers are odd so divide by 3 first .....then answer multiple by 3 ?
6 years ago
Tan SUnny
If multiples of 3... Like 3+6+9+12....
6 years ago
Foong Ling
do u have any other example..
6 years ago
Tan SUnny
Try these variation
6 years ago
Tan SUnny
6 years ago
Tan SUnny
Important note for the child is using same technique to look for pattern...There is no formula to memorise
6 years ago
Foong Ling
for odd number 1+3 +5+7...99 same method?
6 years ago
Foong Ling
answer for this qn is it 4950?
6 years ago
Foong Ling
soryy Mr tan, what do we do if it is not starting with 1 but 80?
6 years ago
Foong Ling
to find how many terms.
6 years ago
Tan SUnny
Yes..Sum of odd numbers = square numbers (using pattern)
6 years ago
Tan SUnny
6 years ago
Sures Kumar
use this formula. (n+a/2) (n-a+d/d). do u know meaning.a-first no. n-last no. d-common difference
6 years ago
Tan SUnny
If number do not start from 1 but 80... Find sum of 1 to 250 minus 1 to 79
6 years ago
Foong Ling
Mr tran, do u mind to show the steps for this qn 80 +81+82...250?
6 years ago
Tan SUnny
6 years ago
Tan SUnny
Sorry, should be first 79 term exclude 80
6 years ago
Tan SUnny
This shld be the correct version
6 years ago
Foong Ling
Mr Tan can i Pm u my workings based on fnd the sum of 1 to 250 - 1 to 79?
6 years ago
Foong Ling
28215. Poh poh
6 years ago
Zhong Shu Hao
lol
6 years ago
Foong Ling
Poh Poh, it takes a long while for me to understand the rainbow method.
6 years ago
Foong Ling
Finally I got it.
6 years ago
Zhong Shu Hao
I will ask my friend to make a slide for u ^_^
6 years ago
Foong Ling
Thank you Shu Hao
6 years ago
Foong Ling
Poh Poh , but must try to understand it.
6 years ago
Voon Jasmine
Foong Foong Ling answer is 28 215?
6 years ago
Foong Ling
Yes
6 years ago
Voon Jasmine
Ermmmm
6 years ago
Foong Ling
I asked so many qns over here n m so determined to find out the steps n finally understood the steps.
6 years ago
Voon Jasmine
Can you WA me see how you do it? Clever you
6 years ago
Foong Ling
Sure
6 years ago
Voon Jasmine
Thank you 😘
6 years ago
Foong Ling
Watsapp
6 years ago
Wahidah Khan
how we do it guys??
6 years ago
Zhong Shu Hao
Rye Tan here~~
6 years ago
Rye Tan
6 years ago
Rye Tan
6 years ago
Rye Tan
Used the question in the main post as an example....
6 years ago
Wahidah Khan
what is the answer everyone
6 years ago
Xavier Sng
Hello Foong Foong Ling. Your determination to get to the bottom of things is commendable. Let me teach you how you can modify the formula to add up the odd numbers between 1 and 100, which is 3+5+7+......+97+99.
Again I will list two of the series in columns, one ascending and one descending, with a third column to show the sum of elements in the same row.
1st , 2nd , total in row
3 , 99 , 102
5 , 97 , 102
7 , 95 , 102
:
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97 , 5 , 102
99 , 3 , 102
There are altogether 49 rows or in other words there are 49 odd numbers in the series. Do you know why?
So add the first and smallest number (3 ) in the series to the largest and last number (99 ) to yield 102.
There will be 49 102's if you add up the two series. The sum of one single series is thus
(3 + 99) × 49/2
= 102 × 49/2
= 51 × 49
= 2499
One of the contributors mentioned that the sum of odd numbers starting from 1 to N is N^2.
So 3+5+7+....+97+99
= 50^2 - 1
= 2500 - 1
= 2499
Using the formula is nothing wrong, as long as you know what you are doing. The formula can help speed up problem solving, so it cannot possibly be a bad thing unless it is used blindly without comprehension. I applaud your effort to learn it. Please let me know if you have problems using it.
6 years ago
Xavier Sng
As for adding the sum of all multiples of 3 between 1 and 100, first we need to know there 33 multiples of 3, the smallest being 3 and the largest being 99.
(3 + 99) × 33/2
= 102 × 33/2
= 51 × 33
= 1683
6 years ago
Zhong Shu Hao
Oops sorry I told Rye the wrong Question...... But idea is there lah
6 years ago
Foong Ling
Thanks Xavier for your compliment. Can I pm this qn n see if I m correct?
6 years ago
Xavier Sng
By all means please
6 years ago
Xavier Sng
As for the sum 80 + 81+83+....+249+250,
(80 + 250) × 171/2
= 165 × 171
= 28215
6 years ago
Foong Ling
Which paper will such qn be set?
6 years ago
Wahidah Khan
p1 i think
6 years ago
Zhong Shu Hao
Paper 2!
6 years ago
Wahidah Khan
is it
6 years ago
Xavier Sng
It really doesn't matter which paper this type of questions appear in. If you can master it you will wish it appears always as a 5-mark question.
6 years ago
Wahidah Khan
yes agree
6 years ago
Xavier Sng
In a PSLE MCQ, the question asked for the digit in the ones place for the sum of 1+2+3+....+96+97
6 years ago
Foong Ling
This one I know.
6 years ago
Xavier Sng
Solution :
The sum is
(1+ 97) × 97/2
= 49 × 97
There is no need to find the sum since the student is only required to find out the ones place of 49 × 97, which is 3
6 years ago
Foong Ling
I have seen this qn before n tried using rainbow method
6 years ago
Xavier Sng
The formula shortens the amount of time to arrive at the answer so it pays if your child can master it. I would like to stress that the formula should never be memorized and applied without understanding.
6 years ago
Wahidah Khan
hehe still trying
6 years ago
Xavier Sng
No hurry. It is worth taking one's time to master the formula. This formula will be useful up to the A levels and beyond.
6 years ago
Kevin Hzh
To find: 3 + 5 + 7 + ... + 99 + 100
Break it down as such:
Find the sum of odd numbers up to 99 (1 + 3 + 5 +... + 99)
Subtract 1 (get 3 + 5 + ... + 97 + 99)
Then add 100 (get 3 + 5 + ... + 97 + 99 + 100)
Sum of odd numbers:
Number of terms = (1 + 99) / 2 = 50
Sum = 50 x 50 = 2500
2500 - 1 + 100 = 2599
Key idea here is to start off with the closest pattern relation and play around from there.
6 years ago
Foong Ling
Some advice not to use formula
6 years ago
Xavier Sng
That is only if the student does not understand how the formula can be applied. I strongly recommend students who can understand the formula to use it.
Discouraging one from using the formula when the formula can be mastered is like having a hammer but one still uses the forehead to hammer the nail into the wall.
6 years ago
Foong Ling
(N+1)*N/2?
6 years ago
Xavier Sng
Yes. Of course the variable in the formula needs to be tweaked accordingly when applied to different questions.
6 years ago
Voon Jasmine
I remember when my girl was in p3 she has this qn. Find out the sum of 1+2+3......+98+99+100
6 years ago
Xavier Sng
(1+100) × 100/2
= 101 × 50
= 5050
At P3, I have to suppose the school would want your daughter to use number bonds or the rainbow bonds to determine the sum.
1 + 100
2 + 99
3 + 98
: :
: :
50 + 51
Since there are 50 pairs of number from 1 to 100
50 × 101 = 5050
6 years ago
Voon Jasmine
Xavier Sng yes used Rainbow bonds
6 years ago
Xavier Sng
If a student prefers rainbow bonds, that isn't a problem. But I hope you can see how versatile and robust the formula can lead to the answer if it is mastered.
6 years ago
Voon Jasmine
6 years ago
Foong Ling
I see stars already. I need to take a break from this but will come back to it. :(
6 years ago
Xavier Sng
Well Jasmine, the formula applied to the summation from 1 to 151 inclusive would yield
(1 + 151) × 151/2
= 76 × 151
= 11 476
So essentially the rainbow bonds is no different from the formula except that when one uses the formula there is no need to create a rainbow, which takes up time.
6 years ago
Ariel Lim Ah Ping
5 marks?!
6 years ago
Adrian Ng
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